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In theology and church Paul is regarded as the most important and most reliable historial witness to Jesus and early Christianity. This book nevertheless contradicts the common conception and shows that all the Pauline letters are in fact skillful falsifications from the second century.
The author solves the numerous unresolved questions that surround the figure and the writings of Paul until today in convincing and scholarly original ways. At the same time, the reader accompanies him on his breath-taking trip through the mysterious world of Gnosticism and the early Christianities.
Numerous individual observations which have not been considered by theologians until now are brought together to produce an entirely new picture of early Christianity. At the end of the book the puzzle of Paul finds a solution that is as amazing as it is illuminating.
This exciting history of the spuriousness of all the Pauline writings allows the time of earliest Christianity to appear in an entirely new light and invites a critical consideration and new evaluation of presumably certain facts of Christian history.

"Hermann Detering once again proves himself the most keenly insightful New Testament scholar of this generation, worthy to stand among the neglected giants of the radical criticism whose work he has brought to light to stir today's Bible students from their deep dogmatic slumbers. My own debt to his work is profound." - Prof. Robert M. Price
“Scandalous publication” – Roger Thiede, FOCUS 1996
“Cuckoo’s egg … there’s a method in the madness” – Prof. Eta Linnemann

The author, Pfr. i.R. Dr. theol. Hermann Detering, was born in 1953. He is proponent of the Radical Criticism and creator of Radikalkritik, a web journal devoted to critiquing the New Testament and investigating various scholarly proposals for the origins and dating of the texts. Detering is member of the Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion. Last publication: “Falsche Zeugen - Außerchristliche Jesuszeugnisse auf dem Prüfstand”, Alibri-Verlag, Aschaffenburg 2011.

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This was the book I needed for a long time to close the coffin of popular Christianity and then cremate it. I thank to the gigantic and generous Dr. Robert M. Price for the reference.

I regret that the author unduly apologized to the common and academic apologists for exposing them. It is also inappropriate to refer the reader to some "spiritual" religiosity as a replacement for the churches formed by the apologists and the ignorant.

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Plantea dudas muy series sobre la autoría de las epístolas paulinas, y destaca el carácter cercano al gnosticismo de muchos pasajes de las mismas.

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Hermann Detering lays out a fairly compelling case in this book. His annotated epistles takes what one normally finds to sound like vague generalizations and gives them a concrete footing. His own translation from Greek adds to the authenticity, though some traditionalists may take issue with some of his word choices. This is intentional on Detering's part because part of his case is that many of the issues in the original text have been papered over in modern translations following mistakes made in the late middle ages which have been copied because they are 'traditional' now.

This book also delves into the history of the texts that make up the epistles, how we know them today and the dates that we can confidently assign to them. While much has been made of fragments existing at a very early date, we don't have complete editions until later, and even those don't quite agree due to redactions made by mistake, or mischief, along the way.

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Was Paul Simon Magus with Marcion's writings?

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Who was Paul? We have to answer that before anything else. Because his writings (or better said, writings attributed to him), are the oldest Christian texts we have available. His Epistles give us a glimpse into the earliest form of Christianity in writing. Considering all the text we know that didn’t survive (as referenced by other authors that came after), we can be thankful Paul’s did. So knowing who Paul was is important because out of everything that could have survived, Paul’s letters did suggesting at some point, his were important enough to be copied enough and retained enough to survive and become a major part of the New Testament.

The FABRICATED PAUL begins by examining some basic elements of Paul. First, the only “history” we have is in the Acts of the Apostles which modern scholars have concluded is not history but an ancient novel. If any historical information about Paul is within Acts, it’s lost to history as there’s no other source to pick out what’s fact and what’s fancy. The only other thing we have for Paul is his Epistles.

The Epistles is what makes up most of this book. And from the start, the author notes that the Pastoral Epistles (those written to pastors as opposed to entire communities) have all been deemed forgeries. This includes 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus. This is due to a difference in writing styles, wording and theology. It’s further noted that Ephesians, Colossians and 2 Thessalonians are also inauthentic for the same reasons. This leaves only seven letters considered authentic writings of Paul: Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians and Philemon.

But that’s still not all.

The author of this book, Hermann Detering moves into discussing the first critical studies of the Epistles conducted by the Dutch Radicals of the late 1800s. This group of critics concluded that all the letters of Paul were forgeries and that the figure of Paul was not historical. They also subsequently concluded there was no historical Jesus either. But by the 1950s, this line of thought and criticism ended as members died and passed away.

Detering, however, finds worth in what the Dutch Radicals did and spends time here giving a brief history of the movement and reasoning why they concluded Paul was fabricated. Detering concludes that Paul’s writings probably were fabricated but not necessarily Paul himself. Paul may have been a modified, retooling of someone else from history (more on that later).

An analysis of Paul’s “authentic” Epistles shows signs of Catholic meddling, wording and language that turned once Marcion-like theology into more Catholic theology. This is Detering’s analysis and he spends some time noting that Marcion, the first to create a New Testament which included a briefer form of Luke’s Gospel than what we have today and Paul’s Epistles could actually have been the author behind Paul. Detering suggests it’s also possible that not Marcion himself by perhaps students of Marcion created the letters and were later taken up by Catholic rewriters. In any case, the case is not conclusively made. There’s some smoke but not enough fire.

The final push in the book makes a case that Paul is actually a reboot of Simon Magus, where Catholics used Simon’s ideas, rewrote them to be more in line with Catholic theology and changed his name to remove the baggage Simon built up. But even here, the case is not entirely made. More smoke, but no actual fire.

The FABRICATED PAUL suffers from what Richard Carrier described as tripping over logic. Richard Carrier commented on this book, “But his (Detering’s) writings are well-informed. They just trip over logic a lot. His case is not sound. Nor is anyone else’s I’ve examined. They falter on basic methodology (like ignoring the effect prior probability must have on a conclusion, or conflating possibility with probability) and sometimes even facts (e.g., Detering seems to think self-referencing signatures commonly appear only in forgery; in fact, they are commonly found on real letters—I’ve seen several examples in papyrological journals).”

So who was Paul and why does he matter? We still cannot conclusively answer the first question. We can make some connections with historical figures in history (like Marcion and Simon Magus) but we could probably red-string-on-a-corkboard put together connections for a lot of historical figures. Just because some details match doesn’t mean we actually have a match.

As to the second question, the Epistles matter because they give us a window into the earliest writings of Christianity. Even if some were forgeries and the authentic have interpolations and have been tampered with.

What can be conclusively stated is that if any of this were the word of god (through Revelation, as Paul insists how he got his information), no one who came upon the letters thought it important to preserve them exactly as they were originally penned. The letters have been tampered with and piecemealed together from fragments and in some cases, found to be outright forgeries. All this says that even in the earliest writings of Christianity, there were disagreements and corrections and attempts by mere mortal men to pass on what they felt was the true meaning of Jesus, his purpose and what god’s plan was.

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Começa bem, mas se torna confuso no meio para melhorar no final.

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Desde o ano 2000 quando comecei de forma séria e sistemática estudar o Jesus Histórico, que a figura de Paulo me intrigava. Cheguei a classificá-lo, em artigo escrito em 2007, como "O Apóstolo Virtual", pois Paulo de Tarso, jamais se encontrou com Jesus, nunca foi designado efetivamente pelo próprio Jesus como apóstolo e em sua doutrina, praticamente, ignora de forma intencional sua vida terrena transformando-o em um Jesus cósmico como produto da sua necessidade de reafirmar o seu apostolado por meio de aparições, sonhos e visões do Senhor, quando lhe teria sido transferida a sua doutrina, caracterizando assim, segundo ele, uma escolha realizada diretamente pela vontade de Deus (1Cor 1:1; 2Cor 1:1; Gl 1:1). Alguém que reverenciava Jesus, mas não tinha nenhum interesse em sua vida terrena. Nem mesmo quando esteve em Jerusalém, como narrado em Gálatas, se interessou em visitar os locais sagrados e obter relíquias de Jesus que dariam força ao seu apostolado. Algo inteiramente inusitado. Tratou apenas de um Cristo cósmico, sem menção a detalhes da vida terrena, fato que é até utilizado por alguns estudiosos para negar a existência real de Jesus..

Isso por si só já é uma enorme questão para levantar a dúvida de Paulo ser nada mais do que uma lenda.

Não conhecia, Hermann Detering, mas ele provou ter feito um trabalho sério de muita pesquisa, especialmente na corrente radical da Holanda. Ele o faz de forma bastante convincente, minando a presumida historicidade do grande apóstolo Paulo. Algumas das falhas que Detering aponta - por si só, cada uma tomadas independentemente - não são convincentes. No entanto, quando vistos como um padrão, Detering tenta mostrar que as Cartas Paulinas podem ser melhor compreendidas como documentos escritos com uma agenda política. Esta agenda, além disso, não se encaixa perfeitamente no primeiro século, mas sim no segundo século. Ainda que eu considere que este tipo de artimanha possa parecer um pouco forçado, ou em termos modernos, uma bela teoria da conspiração.

No meio do livro Capítulo 2 e 3 quando ele trata das origens das cartas de Paulo e das lendas em torno de Paulo eu acho que ele se torna confuso, voltando a ficar mais claro no capítulo final (Chapter 4 What Remains?)

Não tenho dúvidas de que a história de Paulo passa por uma mistura de lendas mistificações e que com certeza não se pode afirmar a autoria de nenhuma de suas cartas como de um personagem denominado Paulo, em que pese a maioria creditar esta autoria para sete dessas cartas (Romanos, Corintios 1 e 2 Gálatas, Filemon, Tessalonicenses e Filipenses).

Detering ajuda a criar dúvidas: E se não houvesse comunidades paulinas, nem paulinistas, até o final do primeiro e segundo séculos do início do século? Os primeiros cristãos paulinos que conhecemos eram marcionitas e gnósticos. E se Romanos não se referisse a uma viagem de Paulo no primeiro século, mas à viagem de Marcion a Roma no meio do segundo século?

Em que pese a achar. como relatei, o livro meio confuso em seu miolo, eu o recomendo como uma boa leitura sobre o problema de Paulo. Uma leitura que deve se juntar a outras de ouros estudiosos do tema.

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